Ron Paul will not save you
Ron Paul needs little introduction to most people who would be running across this post. Even though he is relatively radical compared to the average person as far as free markets go, the reason he is a bad thing for libertarianism is actually the fact that he isn’t enough of a free marketeer.
With the US Presidential election upon us, I feel that it’s time to look at why Ron Paul’s candidacy should not be supported:
- Voting will not change anything of significance: The problem is with democracy as a system, not with who is in charge.
- Ron Paul is not that much different from other politicians, he still has to pander to audiences and offer them something for nothing, just as any other politician does. Notice how he still has to compromise his positions because he doesn’t want to risk feeling the wrath of the public service unions.
- He won’t even get the Republican nomination, let alone President, he just doesn’t have the numbers. Working towards freedom is not the sort of thing that you get people to vote for, it is something that comes about by our own actions and thoughts. So voting is looking in the complete wrong direction.
- Even if he does become President, there is no telling that he will be able to do what he says he will do.
- Notice how there isn’t much of a plan as to exactly what will be privatised and how it will be done, given we’re talking about dismantling government agencies – no easy task, when people are dependent on these agencies.
- To think that Ron Paul can go into the government and make it smaller is forgetting the entire purpose of government – to steal and take control of things. Don’t believe me? Well then why don’t you get to opt-out of taxes or regulation? Why is it that some firms pay money to politicians in return for favourable legislation? Why is that when people can’t just rely on their own productivity or voluntary solutions, they opt for government solutions? The government doesn’t exist to help us, it exists for some people to try and push costs onto other people. In a sense, the system will be rigged against anybody trying to make government smaller, since each individual department will want to try and maintain its own budget/power.
- Governments have never been kept small in the past – just look at the US constitution, it was designed to limit powers not explicitly granted. The US government is now one of the biggest, most powerful governments in the world!
I’m not saying that I dislike the ideas of personal liberty, freedom and free markets. I’m just saying that I disagree with political solutions like trying to get your “saviour” voted in, in favour of solutions that will actually work, like refusing to vote and actually living personal freedom.
What we need is people moving towards freedom on their own, not our own guy in the machine to control the guns of the state. The world is sick, and until it realises that democracy sucks, it will never get well.
I have no objection to your entry, except for this:
“just look at the US government, it was practically designed to be one of the smallest ever”
I mean, that’s silly.
Ok, edited the wording, thanks for that Francois
Well now your sentence doesn’t really make sense.
Ron Paul has turned a tidy profit on this gambit to sequester the Troothers™ and old-skuul Republicans away from the dictated “mainstream,” and for this alone he should be hated. So i totally agree with you, except that the United States is not a democracy. Paradoxically (and irritatingly) this is brought to my attention regularly by Ron PaulBots who have been programmed to knee-jerk against democracy as “Mob-Rule” by Mssr. Paul. The US is technically a representative federal republic, although a quick look at the electoral college and the executive branch’s appointments points to a deliberate oligarchical suprastructure. Like our predecesors we are an oligarchy imperium with a bicameral and tenured legislature. Democracy would give citizens a choice other than Ron Paul, Hilary and friends, because they would have actual votes.
citizen j, that’s a stupid thing to say. The US *is* a democracy, and in any democracy you get the choices that the ruling class gives you. Do you seriously think they want you to have any real choice? Come on now.
Democracy
Noun
democracy (plural democracies)
(uncountable) Rule by the people, especially as a form of government; either directly, as in Ancient Greece, or through elected representatives as in many modern societies (representative democracy).
Oligarchy
Noun
oligarchy (plural oligarchies)
A [government]] by only a few, often the wealthy.
Those who make up an oligarchic government.
A state ruled by such a government.
If They™ wanted us to have a choice we’d have one. You C’mon, now. You have some dangerously dissonant memes about in your head if you think that “in any democracy you get the choices that the ruling class gives you.” That kinda oxymoron is exactly why i’m here, reminding one and all that sometimes one should get a little dictionary time in to undo the cognitive damage FOX News and TRL do to a Citizen.
Autocracy is the mode of oligarchy, begetting the aristocracy as the ruling (gentry, LANDED) class, and direct democracy has never been tried BECAUSE the aristocracy prefer things this way.
Democracy is not “rule by the people.” That’s statist rhetoric. Democracy, like any other statist system, is rule by the ruling class, but by giving us the appearance of choice.
“Direct democracy” still requires a ruling class in order to function, which you’d realize if you thought about how it would actually work.
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“statist rhetoric”? Well, i am a Presidential Hopeful™, so …W/e. Look, it’s DEFINITIONAL. There HAS NEVER BEEN A DIRECT DEMOCRACY. THE UK AND USA ARE NOT DEMOCRACIES.
Why on earth would a ruling class be required in a direct democracy? I have indeed thought quite a bit about it. In fact, i’ve written a proposal to institute it as process in lieu of the current US electoral college, which isn’t even remotely representative democracy in it’s methods. If the type of state y’all are detractin’ about is of the same ilkkk as the wretched Combine that is the US of A, “democracy” is not the term with which to describe it.
Want Anarchy? Evolve into it. The next step is STILL Democracy, because the movement stopped at Fascism.
Citizen J, as one example of the problems with any kind of democracy is, “who actually gets to choose what people vote on?”. Democracy can fall victim to its own assertion that people should ‘democratically decide on things’, because nobody would be able to ‘vote on what needs to be voted on’ and so on.
Regardless of this above criticism though, democracy (even direct democracy) still involves taking away self-ownership rights of the individual, so it’s demonstrably not a good system of governance/decision-making or whatever. Do you agree?
No. Democracy is merely a mode of approach. It means that decisions involving a given group of any size require a vote of peers. It doesn’t even require a state; a quorum vote is democracy if each member gets a vote. After the necessary decision is made, that’s it; governance committee discharged. If you and 2 roommates agree on a chore schedule by casting lots, that’s direct democracy. The three of you made a ruling by popular vote. That’s all it is. It doesn’t mean bicameral legislature infested with lobbies, or National Socialism, or anything structured, because it’s merely an approach to group decision making. Other options are Authortarianism, Theocracy, Fascism and Oligarchy/Plutarchy.
Like I said, democracy is a good thing when you can opt out with your belongings and go somewhere else or invest somewhere else if you don’t like the way a business is ran.
I think this blog is talking about political democracy, not the democracy that could happen in a shareholders meeting voting on what a company should do in the future, for example.
“Why on earth would a ruling class be required in a direct democracy? I have indeed thought quite a bit about it. ”
So in essence what you’re saying is that you’re an idiot. How could you not see it unless you were an imbecile?
A million people vote on a specific issue and find that they do want a bridge to be built over their river. Almost half of the people are against it, some very vehemently, and refuse to pay for it. Now what?
Can you use your brain for a minute and figure this out, or what?
No, in specific what i’m saying is that democracy is merely a means by which to make group decisions. A ruling class is not a requirement of using democratic process, neither is a state, or anything other than the application of a physical tally.
A million people have said bridge vote. Nice. There is, i take it, some other mechanism here that’s going to provision payment? You’ve implied one. In fact, you’ve implied taxation. Sounds like you should work out a reasonable ways and means to apply a democratic system to whatever social arraignment you’re modeling here.
Or you could explain how else to decide such things, like perhaps by decree. Maybe the Wonderful Magic Of Lassez Faire will just market-up a bridge for kicks?