“But there aren’t any real world examples!”
“But there aren’t any real world examples of anarchy working”
This criticism is largely missing the point of all that I talk about here. The primary argument for anarchism is the moral one, the one that deals with whether or not it is just to enslave other people via government. The argument from efficiency is secondary.
There are lots of things that might be considered ‘efficient’, but it doesn’t matter unless that solution is also just. If your grand governance scheme necessarily involved murdering 20% of society, it would be wrong no matter how ‘efficient’ your scheme is at governance. Likewise, if government by democracy means holding guns to everybodys’ heads and saying “Do this or we’ll lock you up”, then it is wrong. Even if those people don’t end up being shot/locked up, it is still wrong! Why? Because armed robbery is still robbery even if you never actually hit the other guy. The threat was still there, so clearly its wrong. Why don’t people get this?
It does not matter that I can’t name some universally preferred and better alternative to armed robbery (government), all that matters is: armed robbery is wrong, so don’t do it. Rulership of other people without their consent is wrong, so don’t do it.
“But I prefer democracy to anarchy”
It doesn’t matter what you prefer, since whether other people consent to it is not up to you. Nobody can own another person, so clearly its wrong to impose that choice on another person.
The free market is only a suggested (but highly probable) alternative to government, it doesn’t really matter what happens after government collapses, so long as self-ownership rights are respected. You can go and live in a socialist commune, you can go and start your own business, you can go off and live in the mountains. Just don’t impose democracy and governance on other people without their prior consent.
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[...] Democracy Sucks, Stephan answers the critics who say, “there aren’t any real world examples of anarchy“: “But I prefer democracy to [...]
Pingback by …no third solution » Blog Archive » Quick Hits | February 12, 2008 |
That’s about the main point of anarchy, if only more zombies could understand this.
Comment by agitpropist | February 12, 2008 |
Hi Stephan. I have to say I find your arguments very interesting and there is merit to a lot of what you say. I think that governmental intervention on private life is in decline, and that globalisation of business, resources, and people has changed and will continue to change the role that an elected government has. I agree that the threat of force as a means of government is deplorable. I also agree that individual liberty should come before any established form of governance. However, I disagree that you don’t need any real-world examples for something to be anything other than a good idea. E.g. a world made of chocolate is a good idea, but as it isn’t practical I wouldn’t want to live in one because as soon as summer rolled around, I, along with my entire world, would be dead. I also disagree that there is a moral imperative to change unless you have a better model. I think that your idea of a ‘free-market’ type utopia trades too much on what rational individuals would do in hypothetical situations. In our society, there is a general consensus, at least a majority consensus, that we all agree that certain actions shall not be carried out by one person on another (e.g. murder). In a society such as you describe how are criminal or civil wrongs (which are inevitable in any society) put right? I think that there are many things wrong with democracy, but until a better and workable society can be put in its place, it is the job of its citizens to keep improving, and keep pushing for higher standards.
Comment by Kyle Taylor | April 7, 2008 |
Hi Kyle,
I’d say that a world made of chocolate is actually a bad idea in the first place. We can evidently see the problems that would arise right now.
I also think this analogy is a bit unfair, my main point with anarchy is not just that “it’d work better”, but that “anarchy is a moral solution, while governance is not”. In your chocolate example, you didn’t really say that the current solution was immoral. I am claiming that the current solution is immoral and we should look to do something other than violent coercion.
As for the kinda general claim of utopianism and how the free market needs rational individuals, this is an extremely common objection I hear, so I’ve become quite used to answering it: If you think the individual is unable to be rational, what makes you think a mass of individuals will be?
Maybe check out my paradox of democracy post: http://democracysucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/25/the-paradox-of-democracy/
If individuals are going to be ‘evil’ without a government, well then having a government will only exacerbate this problem by giving the evil people the exclusive power to wield guns, force and monopoly over the currency as a means of tyrannising the rest of us plebs.
I’ll try and explain the difference: Rather than meaning everybody does everything ‘rationally’, Austrian free market economics generally uses praxeology to determine that people do things ‘purposefully’. I’d really recommend reading some stuff from mises.org if you’re interested.
And even if you don’t like the whole free markets thing, remember I did say it was only a suggested alternative. My main goal is just to improve the freedom that we all have. As for whatever happens next, well, who cares?
Comment by Stephan | April 7, 2008 |